@Megalith

Right, I'm talking about anarchy, not the absence of law. I just don't like all your laws. It wouldn't be anarchy if I forced people to not have laws though.

@skybrook2
None of that addresses what I said. You claimed it is propaganda without displaying how it is the most stable or how it exists naturally without a power structure. What you are describing is just a relaxed control structure and not the absence of law.

@Megalith

The state really loves that definition, because if anarchy can't possibly exist then you'll accept any orders regardless of your ability to do otherwise. It's all or nothing, according to state propaganda. Either you submit to your own subjugation, or we're murdering each other in the streets. In reality, people hardly even interact with the state. Most stuff they do is just… what they think is a good idea, and most times that works out just fine.

But yes, fascist states can be completely stamped out by taking out their leader. That's sort of why fascism is a dumb idea. Anarchy doesn't have leaders; it's the prototypical hydra. It's like how the state boasted about how they've defeated the evil hacker group Anonymous. There is no group; they're just taking away your freedom and pretending it's evil hackers. So please focus on limiting their power to do that, not on fantasies where everyone fights to the death over canned beans.

@skybrook2
If it is some degree, then it isn't anarchy. Anarchy is the absence of rules and governance in totality, which speaks to how unstable it is to have it. Again, you are proving that you were wrong and it is not stable in the slightest. It is the most basic form of living until order of some form eventually comes about. Why you think that relaxed rules and freedoms counts as anarchy within governance is a bit puzzling. We live under a partial fascism under the same logic because of the presence of some rules that are absolute, the existence of labor unions, and armed enforcement of rule. A society that has parts of a system does not mean this system is active or functional when compared to the overall system utilizing the ideas.

@Megalith

The trick is when you consider what makes an anarchy "fragile." Some guy gets on a hill and starts announcing everyone has to do what he says. Who has the right to stop him? Who has the right to stop people from listening to him? Does it stop being an anarchy, just because some people in it are pretending it's not one?

So the real question is what limits there are on the power of the state? Of course there's always going to be some joker declaring himself King of the Gypsies; important thing is who obeys him, and what they do to enforce his rule. So until we're forced to spend every hour of every day doing only what we're told, with no independent action, no resistance, no protest when we get scammed or screwed, we'll always live in an anarchy to some degree.

@skybrook2
You are absolutely right. That's why the first settlers in America had no structur- oh wait.

Well, at least the ancient peoples were anarchists and didn't immediately set up… chiefdoms… and kingdoms… and various rulesets… wait a second. I think you are just flat out wrong after all. It isn't the stable, it is the most basic and stability only grows out of a desire to move into some sort of order, lest a collapse happens, as we see in history.

@Background Pony #1C79

because nobody ever murders anyone if it's illegal…

Anarchy is the most unstable form of society

Interestingly, anarchy is also the most stable form of society. No matter how many rulers and hierarchies there are, you just can't stamp it out no matter what you do.

As for being ignorant of history, take a look sometime at the history of policing in the USA it puts into context a lot of this ACAB stuff. You're right that we need to have a say in what our state's hired gunmen are allowed to do to us, and much of the reason we don't is tied to the clandestine reenstatement of slavery following the Civil War, via the Jim Crow acts. There are other nations that have different reasons their cops are bastards, like in the UK it's the Enclosure Acts and that mess around the Luddites, and in France there was Robespierre's anti-revolution and Napoleon, but in the USA it's pretty much the same reason the NRA were proud supporters of gun control until they found out that gun control wouldn't only apply to black people.

I've uh… never read Bakunin so couldn't tell you what his opinion was on molotovs.

@Background Pony #F76F
No society above the level of Stone Age hunter-gatherers can exist without rules and authority figures who can use force if they must to keep everyone following the rules. Otherwise there is anarchy and murder until the people organize to be those authority figures themselves. ("Anarchy is the most unstable form of society. It collapses into rulers and hierarchies at a touch.")

Even in Current Year there are people reading Bakunin, and not all of them are teenagers. They think they just have to throw a few molotovs into police stations to bring humanity back to Eden. They're morons. They're ignorant of history and of human nature, in part because the educational system keeps them that way, in part because they're too lazy and intellectually limited to absorb information above the level of slogans that fit neatly on a bumper sticker. This makes them conveniently pliable. Their beliefs and behavior are very, very useful to certain powerful interests, which is why they are allowed to burn down cities and never see the inside of a jail cell.

As such, the State is always going to have its hired gunmen. The question then becomes one of who will give them their orders, and who will watch them to keep them from abusing their powers. This is called "politics." It is an ugly, dirty business, and many people feel they're too good to involve themselves with it. As a result they they get to be ruled by people who weren't so picky. Politics isn't nearly as glamorous or exciting as ThUh ReBbOlOoShUn, of course. But it's real, if that's important to you.

@Background Pony #DC91
100% part of the plan, that's why its the leftists that hate cops with such a passion the right just goes nOOO cop good cop good noo it ok he shot this guy! just to disagree with the lefty fags. its all part of the plan to keep everyone at each others throats while the reptile people or whatever fucking dumbass shit they are keep everyone suffering

@Background Pony #F76F
I fully agree. Cops, despite the necessary role they fill, are also some of the most useless pieces of human refuse on Earth. There's a lot of reasons not to like or trust them, but unfortunately any valid criticism of the criminal justice system in general is drowned out by screeching about dead violent criminals and reparations.

@Amagan
oh yeah totally, discord and redditors just have no effect on my life so I don't think about it often

@Background Pony #F76F
Any position or job that provides a person with a drop of authority over others tends to attract a certain type of person who usually has a massive stick up their ass. Look at discord and reddit mods.

all cops are baps

gonna be honest, never had a good experience with a police man. the job attracts a certain type of person who ususally has a massive stick up their ass

ACAB?

You mean like All Criminals Are Blacks?