antiracism obsession is just a cudgel for cheap and meaningless political gains these days, and a way to bully your way into power over peoples' lives and livelihoods
Racism as I define it is a propaganda campaign that uses grotesque images and bullshittery to exploit your natural territorial instincts. It is entirely natural and instinctive to feel threatened by aggressive strangers and even attack them, but racism inflames that to the point you're seeing enemies where there are none. Just like you can train a rat to push a lever because of its instinctive drive for food, humans can be trained to vote for a politician who steals their freedom and destroys their communities, as long as he really hates black people.
So that's undeniably real. I'm sure there are bullshit definitions of racism that are not real though.
Incidentally, if someone was trying to attack your friend, ally, or family, they would have to separate you from them, so they could hide their crime. They don't want you living with other "races" because they want it so you don't know what's happening to them, or who they are. If you don't have the experience to separate truth from lies, you'll swallow the bullshit every time. I understand how you'd want to stick with the people who are good for you though.
@skybrook There's no such thing as "racism." It's a made-up word.
Human beings are instinctively tribal and territorial. Our preference to live and work with others who are like us is our best and noblest instinct, without which civilization is impossible.
@wren These people only care about power. Democracy is only a slogan to them. Look at the tantrums they throw every time the people don't vote the way they want them to. They're used to having a sympathetic judicial system rule by fiat from the bench in their favor. You may have noticed the tantrums they're throwing about certain recent Supreme Court decisions they don't like.
These are people who grew up hearing Grandpa tell stories about how much fun it was to torture and murder those deplorable kulaks back in the USSR, and they want desperately to be able to do the same things to us here. They want power like Sauron wanted the One Ring, and that's why they must never be permitted to have any.
Oh uh, what I'm all about is I think this's a reference to the whole Portland/Vancouver slap fight they're having on the border of Oregon, where a bunch of alt-right organizations base themselves in the city of Vancouver, because they know Portlanders are easy to rile up. They've had like three marches in honor of racism, the Portland city council voted to approve every one of them, and they all ended in fighting.
But the description mentions Cable Street, so maybe it's something similar in the U.K.
@skybrook whats sad is when small business owners put up signs saying they support black lives matter, or it is a black-owned business, etc. and still got burned to the ground. these people aren't marching in "right wing areas", of which I don't even know if any exist. They are usually bussed in from out of town and they ravage the local population, including minorities and "oppressed" people, for some political gain by the ones who paid them. It's disgusting
Also, why is antifa mare attacking democracy itself here?
>Even if I was a white supremist, I'd still despise those decrepit trolls, picking the most anti-fascist place they can find to march just so they can baww about muh persecution. what is this all about exactly? all I can gather is that this artist got mad when he saw people were gonna buy the chinese plushies
Well the CIA was staffed by former Nazis back in the "the universe will implode if the Soviets win" era. Von Braun got straight to work designing missiles for the USA right after the war.
And while there may be many organizations using the name "Antifa" for cover, every "antifa" member I've ever met had no connections, no clue what they were doing and just had it in their heads that "fascism bad." There are people who want to bash the fash just because of some Youtube video they watched on what a shit ideology fascism is, so there's no shadowy powerful organization needed for people to jump into that.
2. When the Seattle BLM movement blocked traffic, they didn't burn down anything, threw no molotovs, beat precisely no one, and ended when someone drove through their barricade, murdered 3 of them, then fled the scene. You might have a case for the Nashville riot of 1967, but these days any sort of anti-authority movement is in hopeless shambles. People don't even know what they're protesting anymore.
3. I am aware that people, will brainlessly obey the commands of dead men rotting in their graves. Personally, I prefer to call it oppression when some guy calls himself a Federal prosecutor and claims I'm not allowed to have a say in what happens to me or my people. Doesn't mean I can do anything about it, but at least I'm not telling people that I think he's more qualified, when I have no idea what kind of fuckup he is at all.
As for the "is/ought" dilemma, I'm not saying that people should change the public's mind honestly and forthrightly without force or fear. I'm saying that I will force people to be honest and forthright, and they should fear being attacked for their despicable manipulation. There are few times where force is justified, but stopping people from screwing over their own movements by provoking violence is one of them.
@skybrook 1. There is no "fascism" or "anti-fascism" in the US and never has been. The closest we ever got to that was groups like the Silver Legion during the Great Depression, who got infiltrated by the FBI, jailed, and erased from the history books so thoroughly that you've never heard of them. "Antifa" is a Communist terrorist organization with the stated goal of violent overthrow of the US government, organized in conscious imitation of the Spartakisten and Rotfrontkämpferbund, terrorist organizations that existed in Germany in the 1920s and 1930s, even using the same flags and symbols. "Fascism" is a word they use, but it doesn't have the same meaning when they use it that exists in the dictionary. It means "opposition to our plans" when they say it.
2. Violent attacks on the public in order to provoke a response that can be photographed and put in all the newspapers and blared from every TV screen is something Leftists have been doing for generations. "Civil rights" riots in the 1950s, "antiwar" riots in the 1960s, "anti-racism" riots now. This is how it works:
step one, block traffic, burn down businesses, beat random people walking by until the cops arrive with dogs and tear gas step two, throw molotov cocktails at the cops, get in the cops' faces and spit on them step three, get that hickory shampoo they've worked so hard to earn step four, someone standing behind it photographs the instant nightstick meets noggin step five, Time Magazine, the New York Times, and CBS News shove that picture in the whole nation's face and gaslight the public about the poor, misunderstood, oppressed "peaceful protestors" for months, years, or decades, as needed
Feminists were doing this back when they called themselves "suffragettes." Carrie Nation was attacking people with a hatchet so that she could get beaten by the cops and arrested, which gave her the opportunity to rant in court about how oppressed she was. That was before radio and moving pictures.
Three, the rules of engagement were chosen before you were born. Unless you are a Federal prosecutor, or a Federal district court judge presiding over the trial of some violent Antifa miscreant, you have no say in the matter, other than an opinion given over the Internet.
This is, I think, the old "is/ought" dilemma. You're talking about the way things ought to be. You aren't wrong when you say that people wishing to change the public's mind and affect change should do so honestly and forthrightly, without force or fear. But that ain't the way it works in the real world. That isn't the reality on the street. It never was.
I… honestly can't think of a time there was a march of a left-wing organization in a primarily right-wing community well known for hating anything anti-fascist. Regardless though, no they're not allowed to use it either. If I hold myself to a higher standard, that means I'm going to hold everyone else to it as well.
@skybrook It's a tactic the Left has used enthusiastically for sixty-five years, of which they approve enthusiastically. Is no one else allowed to use it? "Being the better man" and "holding ourselves to a higher standard" are what got us here.
Even if I was a white supremist, I'd still despise those decrepit trolls, picking the most anti-fascist place they can find to march just so they can baww about muh persecution. Anyone who supports you after that should be horrified to find you staged the whole attack deliberately just to manipulate them into feeling sympathy for you.
your current filter.You win the Internet.
@skybrook
Racism must be real because it is hilarious.
Racism as I define it is a propaganda campaign that uses grotesque images and bullshittery to exploit your natural territorial instincts. It is entirely natural and instinctive to feel threatened by aggressive strangers and even attack them, but racism inflames that to the point you're seeing enemies where there are none. Just like you can train a rat to push a lever because of its instinctive drive for food, humans can be trained to vote for a politician who steals their freedom and destroys their communities, as long as he really hates black people.
So that's undeniably real. I'm sure there are bullshit definitions of racism that are not real though.
Incidentally, if someone was trying to attack your friend, ally, or family, they would have to separate you from them, so they could hide their crime. They don't want you living with other "races" because they want it so you don't know what's happening to them, or who they are. If you don't have the experience to separate truth from lies, you'll swallow the bullshit every time. I understand how you'd want to stick with the people who are good for you though.
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There's no such thing as "racism." It's a made-up word.
Human beings are instinctively tribal and territorial. Our preference to live and work with others who are like us is our best and noblest instinct, without which civilization is impossible.
@wren
These people only care about power. Democracy is only a slogan to them. Look at the tantrums they throw every time the people don't vote the way they want them to. They're used to having a sympathetic judicial system rule by fiat from the bench in their favor. You may have noticed the tantrums they're throwing about certain recent Supreme Court decisions they don't like.
These are people who grew up hearing Grandpa tell stories about how much fun it was to torture and murder those deplorable kulaks back in the USSR, and they want desperately to be able to do the same things to us here. They want power like Sauron wanted the One Ring, and that's why they must never be permitted to have any.
Oh uh, what I'm all about is I think this's a reference to the whole Portland/Vancouver slap fight they're having on the border of Oregon, where a bunch of alt-right organizations base themselves in the city of Vancouver, because they know Portlanders are easy to rile up. They've had like three marches in honor of racism, the Portland city council voted to approve every one of them, and they all ended in fighting.
But the description mentions Cable Street, so maybe it's something similar in the U.K.
Most likely because the artist likes fascism in Minecraft, and wants to point out how anti-fascism can attack democracy.
whats sad is when small business owners put up signs saying they support black lives matter, or it is a black-owned business, etc. and still got burned to the ground. these people aren't marching in "right wing areas", of which I don't even know if any exist. They are usually bussed in from out of town and they ravage the local population, including minorities and "oppressed" people, for some political gain by the ones who paid them. It's disgusting
Also, why is antifa mare attacking democracy itself here?
what is this all about exactly? all I can gather is that this artist got mad when he saw people were gonna buy the chinese plushies
Well the CIA was staffed by former Nazis back in the "the universe will implode if the Soviets win" era. Von Braun got straight to work designing missiles for the USA right after the war.
And while there may be many organizations using the name "Antifa" for cover, every "antifa" member I've ever met had no connections, no clue what they were doing and just had it in their heads that "fascism bad." There are people who want to bash the fash just because of some Youtube video they watched on what a shit ideology fascism is, so there's no shadowy powerful organization needed for people to jump into that.
2. When the Seattle BLM movement blocked traffic, they didn't burn down anything, threw no molotovs, beat precisely no one, and ended when someone drove through their barricade, murdered 3 of them, then fled the scene. You might have a case for the Nashville riot of 1967, but these days any sort of anti-authority movement is in hopeless shambles. People don't even know what they're protesting anymore.
3. I am aware that people, will brainlessly obey the commands of dead men rotting in their graves. Personally, I prefer to call it oppression when some guy calls himself a Federal prosecutor and claims I'm not allowed to have a say in what happens to me or my people. Doesn't mean I can do anything about it, but at least I'm not telling people that I think he's more qualified, when I have no idea what kind of fuckup he is at all.
As for the "is/ought" dilemma, I'm not saying that people should change the public's mind honestly and forthrightly without force or fear. I'm saying that I will force people to be honest and forthright, and they should fear being attacked for their despicable manipulation. There are few times where force is justified, but stopping people from screwing over their own movements by provoking violence is one of them.
1. There is no "fascism" or "anti-fascism" in the US and never has been. The closest we ever got to that was groups like the Silver Legion during the Great Depression, who got infiltrated by the FBI, jailed, and erased from the history books so thoroughly that you've never heard of them. "Antifa" is a Communist terrorist organization with the stated goal of violent overthrow of the US government, organized in conscious imitation of the Spartakisten and Rotfrontkämpferbund, terrorist organizations that existed in Germany in the 1920s and 1930s, even using the same flags and symbols. "Fascism" is a word they use, but it doesn't have the same meaning when they use it that exists in the dictionary. It means "opposition to our plans" when they say it.
2. Violent attacks on the public in order to provoke a response that can be photographed and put in all the newspapers and blared from every TV screen is something Leftists have been doing for generations. "Civil rights" riots in the 1950s, "antiwar" riots in the 1960s, "anti-racism" riots now. This is how it works:
step one, block traffic, burn down businesses, beat random people walking by until the cops arrive with dogs and tear gas
step two, throw molotov cocktails at the cops, get in the cops' faces and spit on them
step three, get that hickory shampoo they've worked so hard to earn
step four, someone standing behind it photographs the instant nightstick meets noggin
step five, Time Magazine, the New York Times, and CBS News shove that picture in the whole nation's face and gaslight the public about the poor, misunderstood, oppressed "peaceful protestors" for months, years, or decades, as needed
Feminists were doing this back when they called themselves "suffragettes." Carrie Nation was attacking people with a hatchet so that she could get beaten by the cops and arrested, which gave her the opportunity to rant in court about how oppressed she was. That was before radio and moving pictures.
Three, the rules of engagement were chosen before you were born. Unless you are a Federal prosecutor, or a Federal district court judge presiding over the trial of some violent Antifa miscreant, you have no say in the matter, other than an opinion given over the Internet.
This is, I think, the old "is/ought" dilemma. You're talking about the way things ought to be. You aren't wrong when you say that people wishing to change the public's mind and affect change should do so honestly and forthrightly, without force or fear. But that ain't the way it works in the real world. That isn't the reality on the street. It never was.
I… honestly can't think of a time there was a march of a left-wing organization in a primarily right-wing community well known for hating anything anti-fascist. Regardless though, no they're not allowed to use it either. If I hold myself to a higher standard, that means I'm going to hold everyone else to it as well.
It's a tactic the Left has used enthusiastically for sixty-five years, of which they approve enthusiastically. Is no one else allowed to use it? "Being the better man" and "holding ourselves to a higher standard" are what got us here.