@Wallbeige

I like to think that she knew deep down that it was wrong, but was afraid to even think about it out of guilt, so when the 6 forced her to take off the mask…

An evil mare would have backpedalled and made excuses, not just blown up at the fear that she couldn't keep denying what she was doing.

Still was dumb Starlight didn't just say "I had to keep my mark to do the unmarking spell." Also dumb that she didn't just block the entrance to the cave. What were the unmarked ponies supposed to do, beat on it helplessly with their weak pathetic kicky hooves?

@Megalith
the show is very inconsistent you're correct.
Evil glimmer and Good glimmer are entirely different characters they simply don't think the same and it's very bizzare. one is entirely evil in her intentions the other is oblivious to the true effects of her actions and can't grasp why controlling others is wrong, but evil glimmer always knew this. there would be no reason for her to ever be angry with the mane 6 if she simply didn't comprehend her own wrong-doing. if she REALLY truly believed what she was doing was right that would have been far more interesting. especially if her villagers did think so too, at least a portion of them thinking that the sacrifice was worth it would have been interesting but instead they wanted hyper evil villain AND hyper autistic mare.

the tree of harmony dying is quite insane they never did anything with it. the last 2 seasons especially lost all the remaining sense of fun and and joy, not saying the rest were all perfect by any means but the last 2 are literally un-rewatchable for me. I can't stomach any of it. even kirins. I hate beard mares they're ugly

@Wallbeige
Equestria is already doomed in canon because the Tree of Harmony is dead. Even if you stop short of G5, it is still dead at the end of the show. Which is also Discord's fault, and he doesn't undo it. I also don't like that it is his idea to seal the villains in a statue. His and Glimmer's forgiveness necessitates that they give the others another chance because it is hypocritical that both were given mercy after multiple attacks and backstabs and the others aren't.

I liked Cozy's hinted mentality towards what she perceived Harmony as. She labeled Magic as Control and Generosity as Intelligence. That is the beginning of an idea. It was never expanded on, but it certainly could have gone somewhere if they gave a shit. I think part of why I like her is that she got the closest to defeating the characters without magic being used… until the end when they threw in random magic hands… from the magic sucking vortex… the later seasons really do have zero writing consistency. Regardless, she was a decent villain concept in that she refused to give up and posed a sort of inversion of Starlight and even Discord to a degree. Starlight after refusing to surrender initially, immediately flipped. Discord did as well, but also had no strong allegiance so flipped again. Cozy would have been an interesting case of a battle of wits. You can't just condemn a kid to permanent punishment when you keep a time travelling communist mass murderer and a chaos god alive. You have to find a way to teach a child that fundamentally disagrees with the very concepts of your ideology about why you believe like you do. This will surely be the focus of several epis… and you threw the child in hell… right next to her pen pal… who told you directly gave her the means to be able to attack Equestria…

I don't really give a shit that her fate was deserved because every villain deserved complete eradication. The problem is that they pick and choose… and pick the worst ones at that. Cozy would have been more satisfying to turn good that Glimmer was. Glimmer successfully enslaved dozens of ponies, when through time to enslave more which ended in her failing and dying along with many others in alternate timelines, ending in her wiping out all life in her final fight with Twilight. Upon realizing she literally ended all possible life, she still didn't surrender for a while. The child that only ever made suggestions to the mane six to check Tirek somehow got them all to rush in a door that works on magic that they knew was fading across the land, who only ever inconvenienced everyone save Glimmer, who might have possibly been killed if the vortex can do that, so one possible body count until the children decide the run head first into a vortex… she gets eternal punishment? Is it because she refused to surrender? Starlight did the same. Discord did the same initially as well. Is it because magic is sacred and can't be fucked with? Sorry kid, you should have done mass murder. Apparently, that is forgivable here.

I could have even accepted eternal punishment for Golly if it impacted the characters at all. The CMC should be heavily impacted that the friend they taught and got into school turned out to be like a school shooter. That should have made them have to come to terms with something. Maybe they would ask if they failed her, not teaching what Harmony is properly, when they realistically could have not prevented anything. Maybe they barter with Twilight and try to get her out, refusing to believe someone can be beyond redemption. I need anything here other than she is just bad for no reason and no one gives a shit that eternal punishment is on the table for her and not the galactic level threats they are currently buddy-buddy with.

@Background Pony #717E
I've read some works by Lovecraft yeah. but none I read mentioned that entity before. he was imprisoned in stone before and the only reason he escaped was due to disharmony near him, at least that's what we're shown. the obvious solution seems to be to not put his petrified form in a STATUE GARDEN but instead some deep dark tomb filled in with concrete (that must exist in equestria due to manehatten existing) and just forgetting about it and making anti-discord protection spells commonplace. I mean they managed to do something like that to the Elements of Harmony that one time. Whatever discord is there are clear ways we've been shown on how to stop him many times even if they're all sort of contradictory..

stops being chaotic? vanishes..
has his magic taken by tirek? just sad and helpless
BUT
has his magic taken by a bell?.. well that's pure chaos magic and can't be used!
the only way those both exist is if he was just playing pretend, always.. and I think that's part of it. you're probably right in there being NO real way to contain him and any 'working' method to stop him is just him yet again playing along for everyone else's benefit.

If he can die, I think it should be pony kinds goal to kill him. and he has been shown to fade away once. the best method I'd employ is fluttershy in a traitorous role of attempting to make him act not chaotic and saying that twilight has a spell to make that not happen. Fluttershy can't lie so she herself would have to believe it too. then simply let him fade away in belief that he won't and that he'll overcome his inherent evil nature fluttershy. only to vanish, you'd have to hurt flutter for that but it's either some pony feelings hurt or possibly all life destroyed by some other-wise careless force. what happens if you don't try to stop him.. and fluttershy dies of old age? is equestria doomed now because his one tether to harmony is gone?

@Wallbeige
I always assumed, based on Discord's earliest appearances, and what was shown about him in flashbacks, was basically an evil god.

I don't want to make assumptions. Have you ever read any 20th Century pulp horror? Are you familiar with a guy named Lovecraft and his work? Discord is Nyarlathotep. He is an insane evil alien god, with a mind that doesn't work like a human mind. Nyarlathotep is cruel, capricious, and unpredictable, but he really, really, really hates sapient life, all of it, everywhere in the universe. He likes to play cruel pranks on entire civilizations, sometimes by giving them information that will lead them to destroy themselves. Lovecraft based him in part on Nikola Tesla. ("You may live to see man-made horrors beyond your comprehension.")

Anyway, I think of Discord as a being who probably exists in more than three spatial dimensions. His true form is not humanly comprehensible, and he only appears as a dragon-goat-horse thing because it amuses him to do so. His powers are limited only by his imagination, and his imagination is better than mine. If you're going to turn him—or, rather, turn a portion of his three-dimensional shadow—into stone, you're not getting anywhere unless he plays along with you. He's playing a game with rules only he understands. Sometimes it may amuse him to let you think you outsmarted him, let you think you're winning—for a while, for a little while, until he decides, with his perfect, six-dimensional sense of comic timing, that it would be really funny to take down the scenery, pull back the curtains, move the tables and chairs out of the way, and show you the brick wall at the back of the theater. That stone statue in the castle garden isn't him in any way that matters. It's the three-dimensional shadow cast by one of his six-dimensional toenail clippings. Discord is fucking scary and doesn't belong in a kiddie show. His whole reason for being is fucking with all the local intelligent species the way a kid will burn ants with a magnifying glass on a sunny summer morning. Making a recurring plot point of him caring about Fluttershy's good opinion of him is inexplicable. She's one of the ants.

tl;dr Kill him? Can you do that? Can he even die? Can anyone in the setting even inconvenience him?

@AA
it is very odd and very malicious the way they did it. personally I wish the villains actually did become friends through trying to be evil and get at twilight but then realized THEMSELVES what they really wanted was people to care about them. I think that would have been neat. Like twilight's goal of spreading friendship has gone so far that she doesn't even directly have to do anything about it in some cases.

then they petrify discord for trying to create an evil cabal of villains to take over equestria, Fuck that guy. I like the idea of his character and his inspiration (Q From Star Trek TNG(voyager and ds9 as well but no one cares)) but he isn't that, he's just a bad guy who never really changes but instead does juuust enough to not be put away forever. Kill him and get it over with, he can never be better and nothing bad happened to him to make him that way. he simply is ANTI-HARMONY INCARNATE.

@AA
There is that, yes. Leaving aside questions of what Discord even is, and whether anyone or anything else in the setting can even do anything to him if he isn't playing along, I cringed at the efforts to befriend and reform him. Glimglam tried to destroy the world with time travel fuckery over an imagined slight. A rational society would have put her in the same unmarked grave with Crazy Glue, perhaps with a nice sack of quicklime to keep the two of them company.

And yes, the series finale grated on me also. Sunbutt's portrayal varies wildly from season to season whenever she appears. By the end, though, it had been established that she is everyone's ideal mother figure, but also a living goddess, and a talking horse, kind and forgiving to a fault. Just her facial expression in the scene where she renders the villains into garden decorations still grates on me for how wildly out of character and how blatantly it contradicts her established characterization.

You ask me, I blame Hasbro and Big Jim. They regarded adult fans of the show as an embarrassment and as horrible publicity. I concede that this was not entirely without justification. In the last several seasons they took every opportunity to spit in our faces. The season 9 finale was, I suspect, Big Jim telling the writers to drop trou and take a gigantic shit on the franchise, then set it on fire on the way out, to teach those bronies one last lesson. I suppose we'll always have fanfiction, right?

@Background Pony #717E
The idea of an irredeemable villain and what must be done to protect society isn't what bothers me, and in another context I would support it. It's the facts that these villains didn't receive nearly the same effort at rehabilitation as Discord and Starlight, who also screwed up multiple times; that Golly was a filly and therefore more deserving of this rehabilitation; as well as the self-congratulatory attitude the protagonists had about the whole affair. It was completely at odds with the rest of the series and left a very bad taste.

@Background Pony #717E
clockwork golly

@Nuke California
Don't threaten me with a good time, sweetie. :3

@Background Pony #717E
You're a retarded nigger and I'm going to skullfuck you.

I wonder whether the writers knew what they were >implying with Crazy Glue. She was a psychopath. There was no sympathy in her for any living thing. She was manipulative, greedy, petty, cruel, completely self-centered, an excellent liar and actress. She understood the danger of getting caught but not the difference between right and wrong, except to the extent that it allowed her to manipulate others and predict their actions. She was a perfect monster, and she enjoyed it. She was not fixable. Turning her into stone is entirely reasonable, though it'd probably have been more appropriate to have her killed, quietly, out of the public eye, and bury the remains in an unmarked grave.

That's a pretty Right-Wing™ message, desu sempai. I don't think the writers intended it, but that's what it is.

It reminds me, acktchewally, of a novel called A Clockwork Orange, by Anthony Burgess. There was also a movie. It is set in a horrid dystopian version of the UK, though, as usual, Tha Yookay in the 21st Century makes 20th Century fictional dystopias look quaint, despite how much work the author put into shoving the reader's head into the bucket. The main character, Alex, is a violent sociopath. The author's biography on Wikipedia says that he was a "Conservative," though the multiple tourist trips to the Soviet Union after the war make the alert reader doubt this very much.

Anyway, Alex spends most of the novel engaging in every manner of random, pointless act of violent sadism against those around him and random individuals who have the ill fortune to meet him. He is then arrested by the police and subjected to nightmarish experimental psychiatric techniques in an attempt to cure his violent tendencies, which have an effect on him only briefly. Alex is a monster. Alex was born a monster. Alex enjoys his activities immensely. The government attempts to fix him, but he is not broken. It'd have been kinder to take him out and have him shot. This is a pretty Right-Wing™ message. Given what I read of the author's life and beliefs I do not believe he could possibly have wanted on the conscious level to say such a thing, but it comes through loud and clear, five by five.

@Nuke California
>checks his favorites
>it's all golly goo
You should also be petrified, filly-fiddler

@Wallbeige
Faggot

don't pretend cozy LIKED anyone, petrifying a child is madness yet Cozy glow attempted to permanently imprison or kill the mane 6, even if a child she understood her actions and it wasn't just out of uncontrolled anger. she laughed and gained joy in the pain of others.

her fate is deserved