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the fact people in my country refuse to get vaccine really freaks me out
my dear grandma died because my parents didn't want to listen to me at all
plenty of us lost their friends and family members during pandemic but a lot of other people still don't care

this is insane
stop https://t.co/YrixCCbZ0D
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Background Pony #2A6E
@skybrook
Y'know, assuming there is a deadly virus going around.

Like 100% lethal AIDS? The people using the common cold as a pretext to turn America into a gulag just made it 100% legal to give people AIDS in California. Go look up what any of them said about putting AIDS carriers in quarantine forty years ago.

Like 85% lethal Ebola? The same people who are so enthusiastic about making America into a police state, shutting down the economy forever, and putting everyone everywhere on house arrest forever to "protect" us from a virus that's less dangerous than the flu were only too happy to let lots of people with Ebola come to the US for treatment eight years ago. And they didn't require any of them to stay in quarantine, or wear a mask, or anything else.

The people who want to turn our culture and civilization upside down, impoverish you and discard the Bill of Rights, "to protect you from COVID19," won't hear of closing the borders to keep out the two million unvaccinated Third World colonists who cross our southern border every year, who are known to carry everything from Chagas' Disease to Hepatitis B to deadly, untreatable multi-drug-resistant tuberculosis. They won't even stop ringing the dinner bell at the border and handing out welfare checks and voter registration papers to the invaders the moment they cross.

I see a pattern here. Do you see a pattern?

I think they had all these plans to throw away all the rules and take away all your rights ready to go for years, and I think they were waiting for a suitable "emergency" they could use as a pretext. And if it hadn't been the China Cooties, it would have been "global warming," or "systemic racism," or "gun violence," or "fake news," or "dangerous misinformation." If a crisis hadn't existed they'd have made something up. That's what I think.
skybrook

@AA

That is what we're doing now, and as you can see it gets absolutely no one to vaccinate at once. I was talking about how to get people actually working together and coordinating it.

Y'know, assuming there is a deadly virus going around.
AA

Hopeful Pioneer
@skybrook
It is the solution presented. You don't get to choose what "solution" you'd like, they're given to you from on high and you either accept it or resist it.
Background Pony #76E6
@skybrook
I think we need to have a society that can minimize transmission of the virus, and get everybody to vaccinate at once.

I don't think the common cold justifies turning every society on the planet into a gulag, but you do you, fam.
AA

Hopeful Pioneer
This is why arguing based on a posteriori reasoning is retarded and leads to statistics-flinging with no one getting anywhere. Have some principles and a backbone instead of believing that data published by agencies/NGOs/corporations tangentially or directly benefiting from this system of power will be objective.

Should a vaccine or other medication be mandated?

Under no circumstances.

How many people need to die before you accept vaccine mandates?

All of them.
skybrook

@Background Pony #2A6E

this seems to be a pretty good article on the subject, I think. Most vaccines (HPV, Hepatitis, Polio, Smallpox) last around 10 years or so before the immune system starts to forget. The viruses evolve, but we've already eradicated them so thoroughly that their population is too small for many mutations to happen. Influenza or HIV, in comparison, are infecting a ton of people giving plenty of chances for a mutation to occur that resists a vaccine. The article also says
Focusing on a single protein contributed to the record-breaking pace of COVID-19 vaccine development. But it also produced narrowly focused vaccines that could falter in the face of viral variation.
so it'd take them a longer time to figure out how to get the immune system to respond to multiple proteins instead of just one, and that's why the Covid19 vaccines suck.

I think we need to have a society that can minimize transmission of the virus, and get everybody to vaccinate at once. With the viral population decimated, it would evolve more slowly, and we'd minimize transmission slowing it down even further. So we'd have more time to develop a more effective vaccine.
Background Pony #2A6E
@Megalith
If it were really a vaccine it would grant permanent full immunity, like the vaccines for smallpox and polio. It isn't a vaccine.
skybrook

@Megalith

Put my faith in what, God? At least vaccines exist.

I do disagree with your claim that "there was still transmission." But as I said, it doesn't matter. Even if there wasn't any transmission at all, those corporations you speak of ensured it would not be used where it was needed. So you don't need a secret conspiracy to force people to take a completely ineffective vaccine. The same thing would happen even with an effective vaccine.

It's not the fault of the people, either. Most of them are just scared and bullied and in denial, and killing the bullies won't fix anything. I don't even blame the corporations. When we agree to follow laws that say "Form a corporation and you can commit crimes without any risk of prosecution," then we shouldn't be surprised when those people commit awful crimes. That's what we need to fix, is the system. We need to stop allowing these unethical corporations to exist, and voting with our dollars just makes them laugh harder. And that's only addressing one of the many catastrophic failures in our system.

But vaccinating people isn't addressing any of those failures. It's just running around behind an arsonist with a squirt gun, trying to put out the fires they set, while allowing them to set as many fires as they want.
Megalith

Site Moderator
@skybrook
The vaccine didn’t save anyone. It came a year late to the scene, and it doesn’t even work, as during the so called 94% effective rate, there was still transmission, which was the reason they pushed to vaccinate the healthy and not vulnerable alone. You could never have gotten the rates they wanted in the timeframe they had to work with in which the thing was supposedly effective, and yet even now they locked down, segregate, and demonize people.

And no, it isn’t clever to use mRNA, as it risks people developing auto immune diseases. You don’t just expect that the body will treat cells creating foreign bodies like the spike proteins and think it will never react as if the cells themselves are sources of viral infection to attack. I will blame everyone up and down for this whole thing:
The people in charge, the companies, the scientists, and the people supporting the system in practice and financially.

The reason being, as this continues, we set a precedent that at any future outbreak, a similar situation may arise where we are laid off of our jobs, locked out of the economy, be the test subjects for experimental solutions to infection, and be cut off from the people we love. This isn’t just the fault of corporations, but the people that support them. This includes governments, scientists, and the average uptaker, as they all protected this thing from legal action and kept it going this long. If they refused, it would have had to be reconsidered, with a deal that didn’t include total global control.

The program failed if the goal was to save lives. They made it too slow, they didn’t lock down hard enough if the goal was truly to stop spread of a super virus, and they are still at it two years in. I see no proof it was ever the goal to save lives, but to give more power to the players in this game. The vaccine saved no one when the people that it is pushed on, the healthy, were not at risk of dying. They didn’t attempt solutions for the people with co-morbidities, they told you to get vaccinated, or be locked down. They told you two weeks to flatten a curve and two years later they are not stopping.

Even if it was 100% effective, reduced your age, healed all of your ills, and gave you super powers, I would never take it. If everyone but has taken it and it would save ten billion people and they told me to take it, I wouldn’t take it. The world could implode if I don’t take it, and I won’t take it. The path humanity wants to go down is something I will never allow myself. I would gladly rather die and I don’t care who goes with me when the alternative is a world where you are forced to do what governments and corporations tell you is best and the masses enforce it with peer pressure and threats of violence.

And no, the vaccine is not what should give you hope. As you admitted, it runs out of effectiveness. Why would you ever put your faith in something so fragile and expect hope from something that can so easily go away? Never put your faith in the things of this world. You will always get burned. Never let anything give you hope that is physical because it will vanish. We have two vaccines and two boosters now. Which one gives you hope? Before it was one or two. Will it be 20 in the distant future? Some new technology that automatically vaccinated you as a virus comes along? What then? You are given hope as long as you can make payments on that device and it works correctly? Are you given hope when you aren’t sick, when age will bring sickness regardless? This isn’t hope, this is fear of death.

Put your faith in something else.
skybrook

@Megalith

No I don't agree with any of that. I just think the vaccine doesn't have many side effects and isn't killing anyone. 70 million cases of mild myocarditis would be bad, but it beats 300 million people catching the virus, which causes way worse heart damage. I agree nobody needs the vaccine anymore, because it's no longer effective, but it was 94% effective initially, an unprecedented level of effectiveness the world had never before seen, and that could have stopped the virus cold.

Nobody should have gotten vaccinated even then, but the reason is not that the vaccine is some secret plot to murder people just 'cause were evul. The reason is because thanks to corporations, our society is in such ruins that the retarded policies we live our lives by render the benefit of vaccination entirely moot. The vaccine was effective, saved lives, gave people hope again, and we kept on driving between cities, flying in planes, dismantling local communities, disagreeing on where and when to vaccinate, and were told that 80% of the world can't get vaccinated because we're duty bound to protect Pfizer's intellectual property unto death. It doesn't matter that the vaccine was effective, because we didn't vaccinate people with it, and we made them keep spreading the virus.

So no, you should not applaud their efforts. At best you can express a nod of mild respect for the clever use of mRNA to do what we should have done in yeast cultures in the first place, then condemn everyone in charge of everything, because we are getting scammed into joining the wrong tribes, organizations controlled by abusive exploitive gits who couldn't vaccinate their way out of a paper bag.
Megalith

Site Moderator
@skybrook
Wait wait wait. So, you admit that the video:
https://mlpol.net/images/src/52D24E3F3D684F88A8A99E200145E8B5-2904894.mp4
"is pretty on point".

That under 350 people have died, less than drowning. Yet everyone needs a vaccine that works less and less and less, which you admit is the case "which is how vaccines work" to protect… 350 people?

And we should applaud the efforts of people that made it because it helped effectively no one for the low low cost of tens of thousands in poverty? And if side effects are 0.001%, then .001% of the target worldwide outreach, 7 billion, could possibly affect 7 million. And then you also agreed 'risk is "10 times higher than after the first dose"', which means up towards 70 million might be at risk with a second dose. Remember, we are seeing places that report 80-95% uptake say that they need to push for more vaccinations, when they told us to begin with that 70% would be fine for herd immunity.

This is bizarre to say the least. In the past, if just a couple dozen got side effects, the whole thing was taken back to formula, but you are insisting that it is worth the risk of up to ten time more likely to have side effects? I won't say all the conspiracies about the vaccine are correct, but you just admitted that the ones I have shown are, meaning that we are seeing a massive failure getting a pass for no other reason than people assume it must be working.
Background Pony #2A6E
Welcome to year three of "two weeks to flatten the curve."

Isn't it strange how the CDC got caught instructing hospitals to run PCR tests at 200+ iterations, when sixteen iterations already produces so many false positives as to render the results useless? Isn't it strange how the CDC got caught instructing hospitals to check the "yes this was a COVID19 death" box on death certificates to get their $38,000 per patient check from Medicare, without requiring an autopsy or any kind of test at all? Remember how the CDC got caught saying "died with" instead of "died from," and all the hospitals that got caught marking drug overdose deaths, gunshot wound deaths, and automobile accident deaths as "COVID19 deaths?" In summer of 2020 the CDC accidentally admitted that there had been fewer than six thousand deaths attributable to the virus, as opposed to people dying of old age with the virus in their systems. Remember when they admitted that the average age at death in the US is 79, but with COVID19 it's 83? Remember when the CDC admitted that the antibody tests can't distinguish between COVID19 and the common cold, and the New York Times talked about it in an editorial before the CDC could scrub the web page?

In July the CDC admitted in the VAERS system that the "vaccines"—they are no such thing—had killed over sixty thousand Americans, more than all prior vaccines. Then they rolled the number back to the May figure of 14,000. Then they shut down VAERS completely, which was already designed to be as difficult and inconvenient as possible to use—to minimize the numbers of officially acknowledged adverse events—to prevent hospitals and physicians from reporting any more deaths.

It's almost as if the Powers that Be had a vested interest in promulgating fear of a harmless respiratory virus indistinguishable from the common cold, and using it to normalize forcing the public to line up to get shot up with experimental gene therapy of novel type never before attempted, that is not a vaccine at all, that provides neither immunity nor resistance to the disease from which it supposedly protects, and which is 10+ times as likely to kill you as the virus is, and which is more effective at causing miscarriages in pregnant women than the abortion pill. This sort of thing is why previously new drugs and therapies required tests on lab animals, then 10+ years of testing on human volunteers to establish safety and effectiveness… which was unprofitable for Big Pharma, but it's a "conspiracy theory" to suggest that they had their bought-and-paid-for errand boys in Congress and in the CDC throw all of those unprofitable, expensive safety trials out in favor of holding the public at gunpoint and forcing them to accept this morning's newest batch from the bright boys at Monsanto, or maybe Raytheon, not even tested on rats, for which the patent application is still being processed. Protease inhibitors like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine were already shown to be safe and effective treatments for the virus—but the patents had expired, and the profit margins just weren't high enough.

Part of what's going on, too, is that all the Boomers who don't think the talking heads on TV would lie to them have been terrified out of whatever remaining wits were in their drug-addled brains, and believe they're gonna die of ThUh CoViDz if everybody doesn't wear their tinfoil hat, I mean, mask, and get the experimental gene therapy shots that have killed tens of thousands. And part of it is all the angry childless middle-aged Karens who get to play hall monitor, who haven't had this much fun since they got to be a real hall monitor at the age of eight. They get to order people around and make demands and have the police arrest people for not wearing their tinfoil hats, I mean, masks, too. They hope it never ends. The politicians, too, want it to go on forever, because all the moronic Boomers and all the moronic Karens are running around in a frenzy of pop-eyed hysterical hypochondriacal fear, demanding that the politicians take away a few more of everyone's rights and make America just a little bit more like North Korea. These people "never let a crisis go to waste," and when there isn't a crisis they make one up. They weaponized weather back in the 1990s with the Big Lie about so-called "global warming" and now they've weaponized the common cold too.

For my part, I'll pass. I'm not worried about the common cold—the people in that illegal Chinese biological warfare lab who created it and accidentally released it may have wanted something more virulent and deadly, no doubt to use on Taiwan, or the Uighurs, or on us, but it was a dud, and it's now just another endemic very mild respiratory virus that in most people doesn't even cause symptoms. I'll take my chances with the common cold, and I'll continue to decline politely when people try to hard-sell me this morning's latest batch of government mystery juice from Dow Chemical.
skybrook

@Background Pony #F77B

I don't watch sports, sorry. I did find a research study that found standardized mortality rates of the vaccinated were 0.42, compared to 1.11 for the control group, which would imply that there's a 62% reduction in mortality of the vaccinated, and they don't know why. They could be just lying, I suppose. Has any other group independent from the CDC done a study on it?

Oh uh, according to this not all the athletes died, not all of them had heart attacks, and the report specifically said that not all the athletes became ill because of vaccination.

@Megalith

https://mlpol.net/images/src/52D24E3F3D684F88A8A99E200145E8B5-2904894.mp4 is pretty on point. I can't believe anyone's spreading lies about the vaccine being harmful, when the real reason people are dying is policy. But they don't want us to talk about our economy being stolen from us, I guess. They want us to freak out over something that doesn't matter.

I wouldn't worry about myocarditis btw. I heard it's mostly minor and temporary, and very rare. That article you shared says the risk is "10 times higher than after the first dose" but they don't mention just how small the risk is for the first dose (0.001%). So they're just cherry picking whatever numbers make it seem more dangerous, over at that… "thegatewaypundit.com" place.

The other movies were just dumb. I don't need to listen to the scumbag running Pfizer making it seem like he's a big old liar, when all he's saying is that the vaccine becomes less effective over time, which is how vaccines work.
Background Pony #F77B
@skybrook
"Nobody's still dropping dead from it"
You've been living under a rock to miss all the athletes having heart attacks in the EU mid-game. Those are just the most obvious ones, as well as a 40% increase in all-case mortality of vaccinated. But muh dogwhistles.
skybrook

@Background Pony #F77B

Well I mean nobody's still dropping dead of it, even over a year later, and scumbags are still going on about "teh BIOWEPON." It's practically a dog whistle at this point.

If not for intellectual property, I think the vaccine might've actually done some good in the world.
skybrook

The longer people go without getting it, the more ridiculous it becomes. Vaccinated people aren't dropping dead or getting the autism or whatever, and it's been months! Don't get the vaccine for all I care, but stop trusting slimy scammer propagandists who'll murder your grandmother before admitting that they're wrong. They're easy to spot. They're the only ones still claiming the vaccine is bad!