What's the difference between Ponerpics and Derpi, Twibooru, and Ponybooru?
Ninjas
Is lurking, always
As both a goddamn furry who has gotten burned by sheisty commissions on several occasions, specifically artists who's finished product neither reflected their previous works nor was what I fucking asked for, and as a person who WANTS artists to get paid fairly and get all the recognition they deserve, it's a complicated issue that
A. isn't going away, and B. shouldn't imo. Would that there was a way to make a global filter for ai, but Appul is't wrong. Yes, Ai generated art IS soul-less, thats why its a good tool for brainstorming and rough draft work. You don't go to an Ai for the finished product, you go to it to decide what yiu want the finished product to be. But with all due respect, I really hate spending money to find out that the artist I commissioned either can't follow instructions, overstated their abilities/english comprehension, as well as a host of other potential issues.
A. isn't going away, and B. shouldn't imo. Would that there was a way to make a global filter for ai, but Appul is't wrong. Yes, Ai generated art IS soul-less, thats why its a good tool for brainstorming and rough draft work. You don't go to an Ai for the finished product, you go to it to decide what yiu want the finished product to be. But with all due respect, I really hate spending money to find out that the artist I commissioned either can't follow instructions, overstated their abilities/english comprehension, as well as a host of other potential issues.
Background Pony #3CF7
@darkdoomer
You aren't wrong.
I tinker with Stable Diffusion. I use the inpainting tools to force it to redraw certain bits or add things in certain portions of the image. I don't call any of that, or the result, art. It stimulates my horrible monkey brain and gives me a dopamine hit when I can click the orange button and see titties. That's the beginning and the end of it.
I also draw, badly. I have been drawing, badly, for a long time now. I do sometimes use SD to generate reference poses, when it comes up with people who don't have extra heads or seventeen fingers. I have a few times pasted the input of SD into Krita to trace in a new layer and color with the bucket tool, because I am a talentless lazy person. I don't do that much. More of what I do falls under the category most call "pixel art," including a little animation. Maybe that's art. I don't know. A few days ago I spent a day making a 75 frame animation. Is it not art because I copied and pasted stuff instead of hand-drawing each individual frame? I'm being a dick here, I know.
My own definition is that art is a medium for communication, from the artist to the viewer. Art has a message. ("I'm not here right now, please leave your message at the beep.") Nothing I do is art. Even the things where I place every pixel manually are just things I thought would be funny. I don't think of them as art, and I create them.
But then, who does create art? Who uses the medium for a message, for a story?
You aren't wrong.
I tinker with Stable Diffusion. I use the inpainting tools to force it to redraw certain bits or add things in certain portions of the image. I don't call any of that, or the result, art. It stimulates my horrible monkey brain and gives me a dopamine hit when I can click the orange button and see titties. That's the beginning and the end of it.
I also draw, badly. I have been drawing, badly, for a long time now. I do sometimes use SD to generate reference poses, when it comes up with people who don't have extra heads or seventeen fingers. I have a few times pasted the input of SD into Krita to trace in a new layer and color with the bucket tool, because I am a talentless lazy person. I don't do that much. More of what I do falls under the category most call "pixel art," including a little animation. Maybe that's art. I don't know. A few days ago I spent a day making a 75 frame animation. Is it not art because I copied and pasted stuff instead of hand-drawing each individual frame? I'm being a dick here, I know.
My own definition is that art is a medium for communication, from the artist to the viewer. Art has a message. ("I'm not here right now, please leave your message at the beep.") Nothing I do is art. Even the things where I place every pixel manually are just things I thought would be funny. I don't think of them as art, and I create them.
But then, who does create art? Who uses the medium for a message, for a story?
Background Pony #3744
It's time for me to be le ebil gatekeeper artist again. Generally I agree with what dark says, even if it was a wall. I have used them briefly to see how it works, and I know enough to know there's no artistic process involved. Inpainting which is one of the 'more advanced' ways, is still just a glorified content aware fill with extra steps. Autofills aren't going to make you any better at making art, just a way to quicker cover up the constant mistakes in slop.
@Ninjas
I see this complaint thrown around for ai proponents as one of the most common justifications, but it's never happened to anyone I know. Does this mean it never happens, no I'm sure it can and that's why you check the artists track record. Overestimating happens for a number of reasons, they could be biting off more than they can chew and get paralyzed or just use it as a means to bait and switch, which now that AI generations are a thing… is more rife than ever with scammers who are saying it's not ai generations when it is.
In the same vein as scamming someone out of money by ai generations, ai users are also scamming people out of what they would have paid for. Now there's nothing to stop them from just commissioning a sketch and then using a lora of the artist have it 'finish' the sketch, getting away with murder. Instead of paying for the full price the artist set their worth at. This community-killing-cancer is brought on by ai only. It doesn't come from photographers, 3d artists, 2d artists, vector artists, digital artists, plushymakers, sfm users. Just the ones using "ai" who have no respect for artists or artist communities.
@Background Pony #3CF7
Tracing AI is another problem, it's often hidden and disingenuous and you won't improve, just stagnate if not just be an outright fraud always trying to keep up the lie. It's common in AI users. Even studying ai generations will get you further than just tracing them, but studies take longer and ai kiddies want everything now.
Pixel art can be really impressive, or not at all it's up to you what you do with it and how far you take it. On the other hand AI use is never impressive. The dope hit is a mental con for people who can't even imagine anything to think they're seeing what they imagined when the prompt is done. And then the cons continue when AI users call it art, so they can con others into buying into it. (See the paragraph above about how ai users con the community)
@Ninjas
I see this complaint thrown around for ai proponents as one of the most common justifications, but it's never happened to anyone I know. Does this mean it never happens, no I'm sure it can and that's why you check the artists track record. Overestimating happens for a number of reasons, they could be biting off more than they can chew and get paralyzed or just use it as a means to bait and switch, which now that AI generations are a thing… is more rife than ever with scammers who are saying it's not ai generations when it is.
In the same vein as scamming someone out of money by ai generations, ai users are also scamming people out of what they would have paid for. Now there's nothing to stop them from just commissioning a sketch and then using a lora of the artist have it 'finish' the sketch, getting away with murder. Instead of paying for the full price the artist set their worth at. This community-killing-cancer is brought on by ai only. It doesn't come from photographers, 3d artists, 2d artists, vector artists, digital artists, plushymakers, sfm users. Just the ones using "ai" who have no respect for artists or artist communities.
@Background Pony #3CF7
Tracing AI is another problem, it's often hidden and disingenuous and you won't improve, just stagnate if not just be an outright fraud always trying to keep up the lie. It's common in AI users. Even studying ai generations will get you further than just tracing them, but studies take longer and ai kiddies want everything now.
Pixel art can be really impressive, or not at all it's up to you what you do with it and how far you take it. On the other hand AI use is never impressive. The dope hit is a mental con for people who can't even imagine anything to think they're seeing what they imagined when the prompt is done. And then the cons continue when AI users call it art, so they can con others into buying into it. (See the paragraph above about how ai users con the community)
MassiveAutist
Fluttershy enjoyer
If AI art needs to go, can we also fucking ban twittard """art""" like:
It's not human-made art, because I don't consider twittards human. They're soulless bugmen, who also infuse their content with virtue signalling for approval from fellowretards bugmen and bots. They also NEVER fucking improve their content like any remotely good content creator should do (and I'm saying so as a mediocre smut writer), they piss themselves and block anyone who dares to criticize them, only listening to their bootlickers (again, like-minded, fellow bugmen """artists""" who have no values except virtue signalling). And it's like they're all made in some factory too, producing the exact same artstyle as ugly as their entire beings, circlejerking each other as if their ugly parody of art made by actual humans is comparable to it.
Even the actual AI art is better than that, at least sometimes (rather rarely), if the prompter isn't goonering while generating and choosing what needs to be uploaded, it can be quite good, generic watercolour style present with the majority of models aside.
Unfortunately so, AIfags don't care about the quality of generated images and that's how we get tons of images of Fluttershy having over 9000 deformed butterflies instead of just measly 3, but nicely drawn ones.
It's not human-made art, because I don't consider twittards human. They're soulless bugmen, who also infuse their content with virtue signalling for approval from fellow
Even the actual AI art is better than that, at least sometimes (rather rarely), if the prompter isn't goonering while generating and choosing what needs to be uploaded, it can be quite good, generic watercolour style present with the majority of models aside.
Unfortunately so, AIfags don't care about the quality of generated images and that's how we get tons of images of Fluttershy having over 9000 deformed butterflies instead of just measly 3, but nicely drawn ones.
darkdoomer 
Site Assistant
@Background Pony #3744
AI can't make pixel art.
@MassiveAutist
i'd take pics like that over absurdly colored AI art no matter the percieved quality. even if it's sjw trash, there is an artist behind drawing it and who will look back one day and laugh at how bad those were, and how things changed. in ten years the ai gens will remain the same. and not change. maybe in r00dpi or something, that's about it.
also on the idea of artists being an elite, being gatekept: yes. as some wise man said, and i agree with him, it's a fact, it is necessary.
and most importantly, we are not socialists. let's not be.
AI can't make pixel art.
@MassiveAutist
i'd take pics like that over absurdly colored AI art no matter the percieved quality. even if it's sjw trash, there is an artist behind drawing it and who will look back one day and laugh at how bad those were, and how things changed. in ten years the ai gens will remain the same. and not change. maybe in r00dpi or something, that's about it.
also on the idea of artists being an elite, being gatekept: yes. as some wise man said, and i agree with him, it's a fact, it is necessary.
and most importantly, we are not socialists. let's not be.
MassiveAutist
Fluttershy enjoyer
@darkdoomer
>will
This is kinda of a bluepilled reasoning, they continue to rot in shitwitter or poosky without improving, in fact their parodies of art seem to get progressively uglier.
No improvement can be achieved if you're a close-minded liberal faggot on a platform that allows you to block anybody trying to reason with you.
I don't recognize twitterina sh"art" as human-made because again, they're subhumans.
I agree on that the AI art will not replace artists, not in "two more years", not in even "two more decades", because programming as a whole is infested with cheap 75 ICQ subcontinentals and literal faggots, who are useless and would rather ERP how much they like to take anthro futa cock instead of the actual programming.
And the AI art fans are content with just about everything being given to them, no matter the actual quality of it, if it makes them k00m then everything is fine. They're good yesmen, unable to tardwrangle the programmers into actually improving the models, nor to become the programmers themselves and create their own models with blackjack and hookers.
The main problem with AI art on the boorus is that it takes up the space, but the owners could also buy a beefier server, that's up to them I guess.
If you personally don't like AIsloppa, then you could filter it and be done with it.
If we're allowed to have the aforementioned twitterfaggot art, as well as anthro, which is D-O-G-S-H-I-T by design, and eekyoogee with its fugly characters, then the only thing we can do is to nuke or at least heavily restrict bingshit, absolutely nothing good comes from Bing's own image generator.
The personal desires are completely irrelevant in that case.
If it was up to me whatever needed to be archived, I'd nuke like half of the overall images, including like 95% of AI art. But I'm not getting to decide what needs to be archived on an archival website, so…
Not even the national kind? Ary disapproves.
@MassiveAutist
i'd take pics like that over absurdly colored AI art no matter the percieved quality. even if it's sjw trash, there is an artist behind drawing it and who will look back one day and laugh at how bad those were, and how things changed.
>will
This is kinda of a bluepilled reasoning, they continue to rot in shitwitter or poosky without improving, in fact their parodies of art seem to get progressively uglier.
No improvement can be achieved if you're a close-minded liberal faggot on a platform that allows you to block anybody trying to reason with you.
I don't recognize twitterina sh"art" as human-made because again, they're subhumans.
in ten years the ai gens will remain the same. and not change. maybe in r00dpi or something, that's about it.
I agree on that the AI art will not replace artists, not in "two more years", not in even "two more decades", because programming as a whole is infested with cheap 75 ICQ subcontinentals and literal faggots, who are useless and would rather ERP how much they like to take anthro futa cock instead of the actual programming.
And the AI art fans are content with just about everything being given to them, no matter the actual quality of it, if it makes them k00m then everything is fine. They're good yesmen, unable to tardwrangle the programmers into actually improving the models, nor to become the programmers themselves and create their own models with blackjack and hookers.
The main problem with AI art on the boorus is that it takes up the space, but the owners could also buy a beefier server, that's up to them I guess.
If you personally don't like AIsloppa, then you could filter it and be done with it.
If we're allowed to have the aforementioned twitterfaggot art, as well as anthro, which is D-O-G-S-H-I-T by design, and eekyoogee with its fugly characters, then the only thing we can do is to nuke or at least heavily restrict bingshit, absolutely nothing good comes from Bing's own image generator.
The personal desires are completely irrelevant in that case.
If it was up to me whatever needed to be archived, I'd nuke like half of the overall images, including like 95% of AI art. But I'm not getting to decide what needs to be archived on an archival website, so…
and most importantly, we are not socialists. let's not be.
Not even the national kind? Ary disapproves.
Background Pony #3744
@Background Pony #173B
>VTuber
Eugh
>"I hope you get replaced" 1 min in
There's no way I'm going to listen to this for 30mins. And the fact you have to put someone elses video in a completely different fandom, instead of your own argument I'm not going to listen to you either.
>VTuber
Eugh
>"I hope you get replaced" 1 min in
There's no way I'm going to listen to this for 30mins. And the fact you have to put someone elses video in a completely different fandom, instead of your own argument I'm not going to listen to you either.
Background Pony #4F98
So at what point would it become more reasonable for a booru to generate an entirely new set of results for your query (prompt) vs storing and tagging every existing AI generation?
Appulman 
@Ninjas
you're telling me you are out there getting burnt by ai scammers? kek why the fuck do you spend bits on commissions for?
got some kind of fetish for flaunting over being wasteful?
I get why the namefaggots doing it, its all about building rapport and climbing the "who-knows-who" ladder.
but you don't seem to be that level of cocksucker even for a furfag
@MassiveAutist
>"I agree on that the AI art will not replace artists, not in "two more years", not in even "two more decades""
try the up coming generations, they are being raised with ai slop on the tablets. companies are investing big on ai development so you can only expect things to accelerate even faster.
the very idea that they will spend bits on some random artfag to get a drawing or animation when they can get all that much faster and cheaper with just a push of a button is crazy.
@wren
>this
artfags and ai can perfectly coexist as the bottom line is making more mares, and ya know? doing art for the sake of art?
commissfags should leave their ego by the door and remember that its the market that decides their value.
you're telling me you are out there getting burnt by ai scammers? kek why the fuck do you spend bits on commissions for?
got some kind of fetish for flaunting over being wasteful?
I get why the namefaggots doing it, its all about building rapport and climbing the "who-knows-who" ladder.
but you don't seem to be that level of cocksucker even for a furfag
@MassiveAutist
>"I agree on that the AI art will not replace artists, not in "two more years", not in even "two more decades""
try the up coming generations, they are being raised with ai slop on the tablets. companies are investing big on ai development so you can only expect things to accelerate even faster.
the very idea that they will spend bits on some random artfag to get a drawing or animation when they can get all that much faster and cheaper with just a push of a button is crazy.
@wren
>this
artfags and ai can perfectly coexist as the bottom line is making more mares, and ya know? doing art for the sake of art?
commissfags should leave their ego by the door and remember that its the market that decides their value.
Background Pony #E149
@darkdoomer
Not him, but that's no longer the case. Now, it is possible that someone generated dozens or hundreds of images with that model and cherry-picked the very best to post there. That is the norm with these tools.
You know how predictive text works when you're typing, and it uses a statistical model based on things you've typed before and suggests the next word? ChatGPT is like that, but with the whole Internet fed into it. AI image generation is like that, but with pixels.
AI can't make pixel art.
Not him, but that's no longer the case. Now, it is possible that someone generated dozens or hundreds of images with that model and cherry-picked the very best to post there. That is the norm with these tools.
You know how predictive text works when you're typing, and it uses a statistical model based on things you've typed before and suggests the next word? ChatGPT is like that, but with the whole Internet fed into it. AI image generation is like that, but with pixels.
Background Pony #3744
@Background Pony #173B
You posted a video that doesn't respect anyone's time, about generalizing an entire group to justify yourself being a scumbag. Here's a quote from someone who watches this vtuber vomit onscreen that was left as a comment. "specifically this clip is her hatred manifest, later in the stream she realized it was specifically women that had been fucking her over, all the guys she'd commissioned had delivered."
Purposefully leaving out these details is clickbait/ragebait that gets more unthinking masses to go along with it, like you. Grow up and stop getting your thoughts from trashy vtubers.
You posted a video that doesn't respect anyone's time, about generalizing an entire group to justify yourself being a scumbag. Here's a quote from someone who watches this vtuber vomit onscreen that was left as a comment. "specifically this clip is her hatred manifest, later in the stream she realized it was specifically women that had been fucking her over, all the guys she'd commissioned had delivered."
Purposefully leaving out these details is clickbait/ragebait that gets more unthinking masses to go along with it, like you. Grow up and stop getting your thoughts from trashy vtubers.
darkdoomer
Site Assistant
@Background Pony #E149
no, this looks like pixel but it is not pixelart. you don't know what you are talking about or how it is made, it does not scale. thanks for proving my point about how ai supporters have an absolute ignorance in the practice of art.
thanks also for proving the point that machine learning generated art is stolen art, and a copy paste of everyone's work. stupid can't lie.
@Background Pony #3744
people addict to vtubers are also a special case of mongs, a bit like the brainrotted teens with skibidy. I know one of them who only watch this thing, only listen to the music it makes, only lives for it and will fioght for his neurosama like an autist.
and he used to be more "normal" all that because of some cute 3d girl with some text generator and a bearded guy behind ( yeah i'm sure the guy is doing all the text)
no, this looks like pixel but it is not pixelart. you don't know what you are talking about or how it is made, it does not scale. thanks for proving my point about how ai supporters have an absolute ignorance in the practice of art.
thanks also for proving the point that machine learning generated art is stolen art, and a copy paste of everyone's work. stupid can't lie.
@Background Pony #3744
people addict to vtubers are also a special case of mongs, a bit like the brainrotted teens with skibidy. I know one of them who only watch this thing, only listen to the music it makes, only lives for it and will fioght for his neurosama like an autist.
and he used to be more "normal" all that because of some cute 3d girl with some text generator and a bearded guy behind ( yeah i'm sure the guy is doing all the text)
darkdoomer
Site Assistant
@Ninjas
you accept to pay upfront ? if an artist asks you that, you can be sure it's not pro. follow the process and give examples. yes the AI can be useful for that.
you accept to pay upfront ? if an artist asks you that, you can be sure it's not pro. follow the process and give examples. yes the AI can be useful for that.
darkdoomer
Site Assistant
@Appulman
except he's not a retard and he's not gonna do this.
imagine, literally paying for piracy.
except he's not a retard and he's not gonna do this.
imagine, literally paying for piracy.
Ninjas
Is lurking, always
@darkdoomer
Its been a learning process, but for example I have 2 arfags who I consistently commission, who take payment up front via paypal
@Appulman
>support
For the most part, yes, but I also like knowing that the stuff I have is one of a kind
Its been a learning process, but for example I have 2 arfags who I consistently commission, who take payment up front via paypal
@Appulman
>support
For the most part, yes, but I also like knowing that the stuff I have is one of a kind