Background Pony #5159
What's the difference between Ponerpics and Derpi, Twibooru, and Ponybooru?
Background Pony #547E
I heard this site was more based than Ponybooru. Are you more based, or are you just some more CIA Niggers?
Background Pony #00B1
@Background Pony #547E
You're not allowed to say nigger on this site, it's against the rules. I've reported you to the mods, expect to be banned shortly.
You're not allowed to say nigger on this site, it's against the rules. I've reported you to the mods, expect to be banned shortly.
Background Pony #CC0A
@Background Pony #547E
Terry Davis is dead, there's no one to protect you from them.
Terry Davis is dead, there's no one to protect you from them.
Lotus
Site Administrator
At PonyCon Holland, the Derpibooru admins announced the creation of a separate site for AI pony art, called “Tantabus”
Megalith
Site Moderator
@Wallbeige
for the amount they ban and delete shit they don't like.. 'grandfathering in' Aryanne art is peak retardation. if they got rid of it completely I'd go there honestly
for the amount they ban and delete shit they don't like.. 'grandfathering in' Aryanne art is peak retardation. if they got rid of it completely I'd go there honestly
Wallbeige 
Drangleic Inhabitant
"erm but akually.." yeah yeah we had this debate a million times, faggot
you can't fix stupid. and from each of our points of view it is the other
you can't fix stupid. and from each of our points of view it is the other
Megalith
Site Moderator
@Wallbeige
If it isn't equal, why would you need to move to a website where it is excluded? It should be no different than the MS Paint slop that gets posted.
Your art is independent of the quality and worth of other art, which is why you should not advocate for a site for poor art, a site for amateur art, a site for intermediate art, and a site for master artists. You want them together not only for ease of access, but to show the quality of your work, gain recognition for your talent, and help others achieve the same.
Your behavior shows that at some level, you do recognize AI art as equal to your own art, even if it isn't true, and view it not as MP Paint slop that should be filtered, but as real competition, even if you are unwilling to admit it. This is to the point that you will support the same basic premise of those that created the conditions to form this site from the tyranny that was ready to be unleashed. You only diverge from this mindset in political angle. Derpibooru wanted a site that removed elements that did not fit a cultural-Marxist worldview and would begin by removing new images featuring Aryanne and working against BLM, no doubt to expand as time went on to other targets. You want a site that removes AI art as it does not fit your worldview and will begin by removing all images that are AI. At least from your stance there is less chance for a snowball effect, but the result is similar: needless division that is solved by filtering.
Aryanne didn't affect the artwork of any user. AI does not affect your artwork. Your values are not impacted by the existence of things you don't like on the site. Now, spam is another matter. So far, images have been manageable, but I have no idea what is going to happen if they open floodgates with a new site, which is the greater concern. What sort of rate of import will there be if we import that? Will there be upload limits there as well? Will there be no incentive to upload AI art that looks decent with multiple generations and some photoshop? These concerns would be a better argument to make for anti-AI art instead of it being a few words generating an image. Again, we have artwork that consists of a couple of lines or a couple of copy/pasted images. Effort is irrelevant by precedent. Spam is relevant.
@Wallbeige
You aren't stupid. Just elitist. There is a difference. Try making some arguments instead of just insisting on superiority, because it is going to end up backfiring. After all, you made that clear. You will return to derpibooru, a place that you admitted would love to restrict art made by humans if it would only take away something you don't like in return. This is an elitist mindset where people can get fucked as long as you, either as an individual or as a group, are appeased. Luckily, there is a cure. Just realize that trash will be recognized by trash, things you don't like but aren't trash will be liked by some, and attracting those people that like those things to your art will only be a benefit.
If it isn't equal, why would you need to move to a website where it is excluded? It should be no different than the MS Paint slop that gets posted.
Your art is independent of the quality and worth of other art, which is why you should not advocate for a site for poor art, a site for amateur art, a site for intermediate art, and a site for master artists. You want them together not only for ease of access, but to show the quality of your work, gain recognition for your talent, and help others achieve the same.
Your behavior shows that at some level, you do recognize AI art as equal to your own art, even if it isn't true, and view it not as MP Paint slop that should be filtered, but as real competition, even if you are unwilling to admit it. This is to the point that you will support the same basic premise of those that created the conditions to form this site from the tyranny that was ready to be unleashed. You only diverge from this mindset in political angle. Derpibooru wanted a site that removed elements that did not fit a cultural-Marxist worldview and would begin by removing new images featuring Aryanne and working against BLM, no doubt to expand as time went on to other targets. You want a site that removes AI art as it does not fit your worldview and will begin by removing all images that are AI. At least from your stance there is less chance for a snowball effect, but the result is similar: needless division that is solved by filtering.
Aryanne didn't affect the artwork of any user. AI does not affect your artwork. Your values are not impacted by the existence of things you don't like on the site. Now, spam is another matter. So far, images have been manageable, but I have no idea what is going to happen if they open floodgates with a new site, which is the greater concern. What sort of rate of import will there be if we import that? Will there be upload limits there as well? Will there be no incentive to upload AI art that looks decent with multiple generations and some photoshop? These concerns would be a better argument to make for anti-AI art instead of it being a few words generating an image. Again, we have artwork that consists of a couple of lines or a couple of copy/pasted images. Effort is irrelevant by precedent. Spam is relevant.
@Wallbeige
You aren't stupid. Just elitist. There is a difference. Try making some arguments instead of just insisting on superiority, because it is going to end up backfiring. After all, you made that clear. You will return to derpibooru, a place that you admitted would love to restrict art made by humans if it would only take away something you don't like in return. This is an elitist mindset where people can get fucked as long as you, either as an individual or as a group, are appeased. Luckily, there is a cure. Just realize that trash will be recognized by trash, things you don't like but aren't trash will be liked by some, and attracting those people that like those things to your art will only be a benefit.
darkdoomer
Site Assistant
@Megalith
I think this thread is worth a bump.
First, I don't think there is nothing wrong about being elitist, even if he's not. We want others to be part of an elite and improve, and not levelling from the lowest or adapting to the lowest.
I think about it, and second Wallbeige’s concerns, which are rooted in preserving fairness and quality, not in asserting superiority. Even if de facto any artist, even the noob with mspaint will makje an effort higher than someone entering words to generate an image.
Machine Learning Generated creates a flood of bad content, forcing skilled artists to compete with quantity over quality. This isn’t about being "elitist", it’s about protecting the integrity of artistic spaces and ensuring that genuine craftsmanship isn’t drowned out by some automatized photoshop.
The comparison to Derpibooru’s policies also misses the mark. Advocating for a distinction between AI and human art isn’t about censorship or control; it’s about addressing fundamental differences in creation. Human art involves intentionality, emotion, and skill development, while AI art is the result of computational processes. These distinctions matter, and ignoring them undermines the contributions of human artists.
I would also add, as I see positivity in what you may see as AI elitism, that AI generators does use art mostly to create trash. Fancy ; but still trash, where an artist will understand exactly the aesthetic and value of every drawing, dedicating time to it, not a single AI image hold this value, or have the motivation. It is a mistake to allow the average retard to create and generate the same fetishes over and over and saturate an art site into degeneracy. What we are aiming to fight, really.
Then finally do we value creativity, or stagnation and reusing of other artists'art without credit in a socialistic ideal that anyone can create art. I think not, it has never been the point of this community, which remains to preserve art.
Seconded but this oversimplifies the issue, let's not be naive, people don't even pay attention to tags. Also the AIsloppers have not the same ethics any creative will have, and that's a main concern. When boorus are flooded with AI images, the visibility of human-made art decreases. This isn’t really about competition; it’s about preserving spaces where human creativity is respected.
I second the idea others had about filtering or separating machine learning gens from actual art. It's not the idea of some AntiAI, it's the idea of AI people to have their own booru to begin with. And not Tantabus. They have Twibooru, but must we copy Twibooru and flood this site with AI
In the noise of rageful underageB&s who claims to replace every artists for being too greedy or selfish or whatever, some speak common sense and just want to keep it a hobby and be in peace with artists instead of creating conflict. Some want just to generate memes and fun stuff as a hobby, that's ok that's the very point of AI, hell even if you need ideas for something to draw it can be good for this. Having a separation would allow both AI and human artists to coexist without one undermining the other. It's like if borders exists for a reason.
Lastly, the suggestion that "effort is irrelevant" undercuts the entire foundation of art. Effort, intention, and craftsmanship are what make art meaningful. Ignoring this distinction risks reducing art to a purely visual product that can be generated from nothing.
That's my point of view but this is important to have this debate.
I think this thread is worth a bump.
First, I don't think there is nothing wrong about being elitist, even if he's not. We want others to be part of an elite and improve, and not levelling from the lowest or adapting to the lowest.
I think about it, and second Wallbeige’s concerns, which are rooted in preserving fairness and quality, not in asserting superiority. Even if de facto any artist, even the noob with mspaint will makje an effort higher than someone entering words to generate an image.
Machine Learning Generated creates a flood of bad content, forcing skilled artists to compete with quantity over quality. This isn’t about being "elitist", it’s about protecting the integrity of artistic spaces and ensuring that genuine craftsmanship isn’t drowned out by some automatized photoshop.
The comparison to Derpibooru’s policies also misses the mark. Advocating for a distinction between AI and human art isn’t about censorship or control; it’s about addressing fundamental differences in creation. Human art involves intentionality, emotion, and skill development, while AI art is the result of computational processes. These distinctions matter, and ignoring them undermines the contributions of human artists.
I would also add, as I see positivity in what you may see as AI elitism, that AI generators does use art mostly to create trash. Fancy ; but still trash, where an artist will understand exactly the aesthetic and value of every drawing, dedicating time to it, not a single AI image hold this value, or have the motivation. It is a mistake to allow the average retard to create and generate the same fetishes over and over and saturate an art site into degeneracy. What we are aiming to fight, really.
Then finally do we value creativity, or stagnation and reusing of other artists'art without credit in a socialistic ideal that anyone can create art. I think not, it has never been the point of this community, which remains to preserve art.
Your art is independent of the quality and worth of other art, which is why you should not advocate for a site for poor art, a site for amateur art, a site for intermediate art, and a site for master artists. You want them together not only for ease of access, but to show the quality of your work, gain recognition for your talent, and help others achieve the same.
Seconded but this oversimplifies the issue, let's not be naive, people don't even pay attention to tags. Also the AIsloppers have not the same ethics any creative will have, and that's a main concern. When boorus are flooded with AI images, the visibility of human-made art decreases. This isn’t really about competition; it’s about preserving spaces where human creativity is respected.
I second the idea others had about filtering or separating machine learning gens from actual art. It's not the idea of some AntiAI, it's the idea of AI people to have their own booru to begin with. And not Tantabus. They have Twibooru, but must we copy Twibooru and flood this site with AI
In the noise of rageful underageB&s who claims to replace every artists for being too greedy or selfish or whatever, some speak common sense and just want to keep it a hobby and be in peace with artists instead of creating conflict. Some want just to generate memes and fun stuff as a hobby, that's ok that's the very point of AI, hell even if you need ideas for something to draw it can be good for this. Having a separation would allow both AI and human artists to coexist without one undermining the other. It's like if borders exists for a reason.
Lastly, the suggestion that "effort is irrelevant" undercuts the entire foundation of art. Effort, intention, and craftsmanship are what make art meaningful. Ignoring this distinction risks reducing art to a purely visual product that can be generated from nothing.
That's my point of view but this is important to have this debate.
Background Pony #1E48
@darkdoomer
>This isn’t really about competition; it’s about preserving spaces where human creativity is respected.
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suuure
>This isn’t really about competition; it’s about preserving spaces where human creativity is respected.
>$20.00 — $400.00 commissions
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ToastedTruffles
Early Adopter
@darkdoomer
…Aren't these the same sorts of complaints people were making when digital art programs started to be made? Or Source Filmmaker content?
As to there being some scummy practices, that's always been the place everywhere. More than one "real" artist has bee caught tracing or reusing content from someone else.
This reminds me also of the complaints about Rule 34 as a concept. Tag it so that people can choose to use their own filters if they want, and that's the furthest I think we should go here. Unless some significant argument can persuade me.
…Aren't these the same sorts of complaints people were making when digital art programs started to be made? Or Source Filmmaker content?
As to there being some scummy practices, that's always been the place everywhere. More than one "real" artist has bee caught tracing or reusing content from someone else.
This reminds me also of the complaints about Rule 34 as a concept. Tag it so that people can choose to use their own filters if they want, and that's the furthest I think we should go here. Unless some significant argument can persuade me.
Wallbeige
Drangleic Inhabitant
@ToastedTruffles
ai fundementally isn't art and shouldn't be treated as such. it CANNOT create only mash things together into a mess of ugly monstrous images, "BUT THIS IMAGE LOOKS GOOD!!" "BUT IT LOOKS BETTER THEN X Y Z GUYS ART!!!"
no, it doesn't and it never will. "BUT IT PASSES!!" it's shit and shouldn't be allowed on a place for human made art. I'd rather a million sonichu tier artists then 1 single ai generated image. passion is key, even if it's from a retard
ai is inherently passionless, soulless and inhuman and should be eradicated
I've said this all a million billion times now. you will all understand once it replaces (you). every fucking time nobody cares until it's too late.and it's already almost too late
ai fundementally isn't art and shouldn't be treated as such. it CANNOT create only mash things together into a mess of ugly monstrous images, "BUT THIS IMAGE LOOKS GOOD!!" "BUT IT LOOKS BETTER THEN X Y Z GUYS ART!!!"
no, it doesn't and it never will. "BUT IT PASSES!!" it's shit and shouldn't be allowed on a place for human made art. I'd rather a million sonichu tier artists then 1 single ai generated image. passion is key, even if it's from a retard
ai is inherently passionless, soulless and inhuman and should be eradicated
I've said this all a million billion times now. you will all understand once it replaces (you). every fucking time nobody cares until it's too late.and it's already almost too late